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		<title>Comment on Watch out for the top five &#8220;don&#8217;ts&#8221; in marketing metrics by fiona newsonsmith</title>
		<link>http://blog.themarketer.co.uk/2012/04/watch-out-for-the-top-five-donts-in-marketing-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-4595</link>
		<dc:creator>fiona newsonsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Fergus, there still seems to be confusion about what should be measured to give clarity about the success of marketing performance.  Outmoded comparisons with equivalent adspend continue to be espoused.  We are constantly trying to get suppliers to think about the usefulness of the ROI they can give - many are worefully unprepared.  We need to be more strident in insisting that the metrics we desire are collected and not merely accept what is offered as standard.  Too many companies cling to the &#039;doing what we have always done mentality and think marketing is simply branding a diary.  There is a lot to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Fergus, there still seems to be confusion about what should be measured to give clarity about the success of marketing performance.  Outmoded comparisons with equivalent adspend continue to be espoused.  We are constantly trying to get suppliers to think about the usefulness of the ROI they can give &#8211; many are worefully unprepared.  We need to be more strident in insisting that the metrics we desire are collected and not merely accept what is offered as standard.  Too many companies cling to the &#8216;doing what we have always done mentality and think marketing is simply branding a diary.  There is a lot to be done.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A learning curve: how to market school dinners by Philippa Varey</title>
		<link>http://blog.themarketer.co.uk/2011/10/a-learning-curve-how-to-market-school-dinners/comment-page-1/#comment-3100</link>
		<dc:creator>Philippa Varey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to be a classic example of where word of mouth marketing is the answer. The students&#039; choice of school dinners or packed lunches is driven to a great extent by what their friends do, and where they do it. If the school canteen is not the venue of choice at lunchtime, then no amount of price promotion is going to bring them in. Perhaps the answer is to go down the digital route, but outside of the school environment, and let the kids do the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to be a classic example of where word of mouth marketing is the answer. The students&#8217; choice of school dinners or packed lunches is driven to a great extent by what their friends do, and where they do it. If the school canteen is not the venue of choice at lunchtime, then no amount of price promotion is going to bring them in. Perhaps the answer is to go down the digital route, but outside of the school environment, and let the kids do the rest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is the difference between creativity and innovation? by Brighton Chingono</title>
		<link>http://blog.themarketer.co.uk/2010/06/what-is-the-difference-between-creativity-and-innovation/comment-page-1/#comment-3019</link>
		<dc:creator>Brighton Chingono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting I will never stop reading your articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting I will never stop reading your articles.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Creative start-ups: the dos and don’ts of marketing by Patrick Milanzi</title>
		<link>http://blog.themarketer.co.uk/2011/09/creative-start-ups-the-dos-and-don%e2%80%99ts-of-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-2991</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Milanzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key word in succesful marketing lies in the wearing customers shoes or being under the customers skin, otherwise many fail because they fail to become customers first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key word in succesful marketing lies in the wearing customers shoes or being under the customers skin, otherwise many fail because they fail to become customers first.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An inch away by kobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>kobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think your article is simple but true.i am experiencing it with my clients in Ghana.thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think your article is simple but true.i am experiencing it with my clients in Ghana.thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CEO and social media: the external conundrum by DMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post rocks!</description>
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		<title>Comment on What is the difference between creativity and innovation? by Andrew Armour</title>
		<link>http://blog.themarketer.co.uk/2010/06/what-is-the-difference-between-creativity-and-innovation/comment-page-1/#comment-2683</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Armour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, 

Great piece.

As a build on this, there is a very active current debate taking place on the entire topic of innovation within Harvard Business Review - you can follow the thread here: http://tinyurl.com/67r8wfv. It seems to link with a similar debate they are having re the role of &#039;talent&#039;.

In precis -  recent research by Nielsen suggests that in what perhaps could be termed the addiction to all things to do with innovation and speed to market - marketers have lost the desire to create something genuinely new and insightful, with the consumer at its centre. The result is often poor execution, lack of commercial focus and a never ending spiral of me too or slavishly trying to jump on a bandwagon that has already passed. There is a race to have news for the sales teams, something to report, proof that you can develop and &#039;ship it&#039;. 

The question that perhaps needs to be asked is how much of what is termed &#039;innovation&#039; (from mobiles &amp; handsets, IT and hardware to consumer goods and services) - is genuine innovation? How much is just noise? The pace of change and pressure to &#039;think outside the box&#039; - is often used as an excuse to develop poor products, lose focus and worst of all, lack any engagement with consumerism. It has almost become a dirty word to suggest that you start from consumer insight - instead, due to the publicity surrounding brands such as Apple and Dyson, teams, labs and hubs remove themselves from the external and retreat to develop their own ideas. It&#039;s a style that is more reflecting the over confidence in Britain&#039;s Got Talent - rather than Britain&#039;s Got Marketing. For every Coldplay and Adele, there is an awful lot of misdirected creativity. Whilst creativity, individualism and talent has a big part to play in generating new things  - this is only one part of the innovation mix. Your distinction between creativity, invention and innovation is very well made. 

However, I suggest there is a further missing piece. In December, General Electric reported that their Worldwide Innovation Monitor (involving over 1000 of the top marketers) identified PARTNERSHIPS as the Number One ingredient in marketing innovation. Truly new thinking and ideas can only come from collaboration, partnerships and alliances - and having a different conversation with people from a different perspective, who can build and add to your own debate, discussions and knowledge. Rather than, as often happens in much &#039;innovation&#039; -  you have the same old ones, often dominated by internal brainstorms, technology and role agendas. Apple in fact generated its innovative power from smart supply chains with companies such as Sun and ground breaking licensing deals with the music business - for iTunes. Its collaboration. Commerce, art and science has always been about collaboration, adaptation, connections, learning from others. This is a topic that is explored brilliantly by Steven Johnson is his great book Where Good Ideas Come From (you can see his video here - http://tinyurl.com/5toufj4) and its something I&#039;ve written about to, here - http://tinyurl.com/6k59hc9. Retreating into the comfort of having conversations within the organisation, with familiar faces and mates is tempting. But having fresh conversations with third parties who look at the world differently from you is by its very nature more challenging, more stimulating and in my experience - more fun too.

Best regards,

Andrew Armour
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, </p>
<p>Great piece.</p>
<p>As a build on this, there is a very active current debate taking place on the entire topic of innovation within Harvard Business Review &#8211; you can follow the thread here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/67r8wfv" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/67r8wfv</a>. It seems to link with a similar debate they are having re the role of &#8216;talent&#8217;.</p>
<p>In precis &#8211;  recent research by Nielsen suggests that in what perhaps could be termed the addiction to all things to do with innovation and speed to market &#8211; marketers have lost the desire to create something genuinely new and insightful, with the consumer at its centre. The result is often poor execution, lack of commercial focus and a never ending spiral of me too or slavishly trying to jump on a bandwagon that has already passed. There is a race to have news for the sales teams, something to report, proof that you can develop and &#8216;ship it&#8217;. </p>
<p>The question that perhaps needs to be asked is how much of what is termed &#8216;innovation&#8217; (from mobiles &amp; handsets, IT and hardware to consumer goods and services) &#8211; is genuine innovation? How much is just noise? The pace of change and pressure to &#8216;think outside the box&#8217; &#8211; is often used as an excuse to develop poor products, lose focus and worst of all, lack any engagement with consumerism. It has almost become a dirty word to suggest that you start from consumer insight &#8211; instead, due to the publicity surrounding brands such as Apple and Dyson, teams, labs and hubs remove themselves from the external and retreat to develop their own ideas. It&#8217;s a style that is more reflecting the over confidence in Britain&#8217;s Got Talent &#8211; rather than Britain&#8217;s Got Marketing. For every Coldplay and Adele, there is an awful lot of misdirected creativity. Whilst creativity, individualism and talent has a big part to play in generating new things  &#8211; this is only one part of the innovation mix. Your distinction between creativity, invention and innovation is very well made. </p>
<p>However, I suggest there is a further missing piece. In December, General Electric reported that their Worldwide Innovation Monitor (involving over 1000 of the top marketers) identified PARTNERSHIPS as the Number One ingredient in marketing innovation. Truly new thinking and ideas can only come from collaboration, partnerships and alliances &#8211; and having a different conversation with people from a different perspective, who can build and add to your own debate, discussions and knowledge. Rather than, as often happens in much &#8216;innovation&#8217; &#8211;  you have the same old ones, often dominated by internal brainstorms, technology and role agendas. Apple in fact generated its innovative power from smart supply chains with companies such as Sun and ground breaking licensing deals with the music business &#8211; for iTunes. Its collaboration. Commerce, art and science has always been about collaboration, adaptation, connections, learning from others. This is a topic that is explored brilliantly by Steven Johnson is his great book Where Good Ideas Come From (you can see his video here &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5toufj4" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5toufj4</a>) and its something I&#8217;ve written about to, here &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6k59hc9" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6k59hc9</a>. Retreating into the comfort of having conversations within the organisation, with familiar faces and mates is tempting. But having fresh conversations with third parties who look at the world differently from you is by its very nature more challenging, more stimulating and in my experience &#8211; more fun too.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Andrew Armour</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is the difference between creativity and innovation? by Abdulazeez Ibrahim</title>
		<link>http://blog.themarketer.co.uk/2010/06/what-is-the-difference-between-creativity-and-innovation/comment-page-1/#comment-2181</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdulazeez Ibrahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I know that, and it&#039;s quite interesting too. From now on I would never miss this site, as a marketer, it has shade more light on issues that were not clear before. Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I know that, and it&#8217;s quite interesting too. From now on I would never miss this site, as a marketer, it has shade more light on issues that were not clear before. Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mr Tchaikovsky &#8211; your concerto is worthless by Abdulazeez Ibrahim</title>
		<link>http://blog.themarketer.co.uk/2010/05/mr-tchaikovsky-your-concerto-is-worthless/comment-page-1/#comment-2180</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdulazeez Ibrahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The case of Tchaikovsky and Rubinstein is typical in organizations where superiors think junior subordinates have nothing to offer and their suggestions mostly rejected with a wave of hand even without evaluation which in most cases some brilliant ideas are lost.
I feel is important that any new idea should be evaluated before being passed as unacceptable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The case of Tchaikovsky and Rubinstein is typical in organizations where superiors think junior subordinates have nothing to offer and their suggestions mostly rejected with a wave of hand even without evaluation which in most cases some brilliant ideas are lost.<br />
I feel is important that any new idea should be evaluated before being passed as unacceptable</p>
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		<title>Comment on What kind of ideas do we really want? by Greg Kritikos</title>
		<link>http://blog.themarketer.co.uk/2010/05/what-kind-of-ideas-do-we-really-want/comment-page-1/#comment-1986</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Kritikos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realy liked your angle on the topic. Certainly wasn’t planning on this at the time I started searching for tips. Your ideas are totally simple to understand. I&#039;m glad to find out that there’s a person online that obviously understands what they&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realy liked your angle on the topic. Certainly wasn’t planning on this at the time I started searching for tips. Your ideas are totally simple to understand. I&#8217;m glad to find out that there’s a person online that obviously understands what they&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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